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Post by IncogNITO on Apr 4, 2006 17:40:13 GMT -5
A noble enterprise. Hmmm, how noble is a person that knowingly, AND I REPEAT SHOUTING RUDELY IF YOU WILL.......... KNOWINGLY REPRESENT A MURDERER?Because it is the right thing to do. The Constitution does not say accused murders not included. Until they are convicted they have every single right you do. If you strip that right from them what about the people who get wrongly charged. Opps sorry your dead we did not mean to kill you for a crime you did not do. We are sorry we did not give you the legal representation you are entitled to that might have saved you your life or kept you from spending 30 years behind bars for something you did not do. Noble is defending an innocent person, correct? Very noble but not as noble as the other. Defending someones rights under any circumstances is a great thing. Now, with that being said, how can anyone DEFEND someone whom they have a 99.9% guess is guilty of cold blooded murder and be NOBLE?  Because it is the right thing to do, it is what they law says has to happen. Because someone like you who may hang first and ask questions later may be in charge of the prosecution. Because maybe the whole story is not out and someone charged tried to stop it and was over rules by the group. There are 100s of things you learn at trail. And because you are not privy to all the information you can't make an informed judgment. You go on your emotion and that can not be allowed to go on when deciding life and death. JMayo
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Post by tonya on Apr 4, 2006 20:45:32 GMT -5
Gentlemen,
No further questions at this moment.........
Tonya
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Post by reason on Apr 4, 2006 22:22:53 GMT -5
The defense rests.
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Post by KathyInArkansas on Apr 4, 2006 22:59:06 GMT -5
Gentlemen, No further questions at this moment......... TonyaTonya, Maybe you would enjoy a course on Constitutional law or a criminal justice or paralegal course that would help you better understand our legal system. |
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Post by evryman69 on Apr 6, 2006 14:58:45 GMT -5
Gentlemen, No further questions at this moment......... TonyaTonya, Maybe you would enjoy a course on Constitutional law or a criminal justice or paralegal course that would help you better understand our legal system. Or better ... a course in advertising and marketing ... Folks get worked up like that when they are being pounded by sound bites made by either side of a case. A little more complicated I'm sure, but REASON - mind some insight to the Trial by Media tactic and why it is so "Over-used" these days.We won't get into the deep waters of front-end special interest Public -Relations swaying public opinion PRIOR to death and injury tolls. |
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Post by tonya on Apr 7, 2006 20:53:34 GMT -5
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Post by reason on Apr 13, 2006 11:11:18 GMT -5
Deltona massacre trial moving to St. Augustine
Kristen Reed
Sentinel Staff Writer
April 13, 2006, 11:41 AM EDT
DeLAND -- The trial of three men accused of slaughtering six people in a Deltona home will have to be moved from Volusia County, a judge ruled this morning.
Defense attorneys have repeatedly requested to move the trial of Troy Victorino, Michael Salas and Jerone Hunter. Circuit Judge William A. Parsons said he knew finding a jury would be difficult but he had been optimistic it could be done.
Today, however, he decided to grant the latest request after John Tanner, state attorney for the 7th Judicial Circuit, said he agreed that a fair trial would be impossible in Volusia because the case has received so much publicity and stirred so much emotion.
Now the case will move to St. Augustine in St. Johns County. Parsons said it likely will be June or July before jury selection can begin there.
Jury selection had begun Monday but had been proceeding very slowly, with most of the prospective jurors eliminated after just preliminary questioning.
The defense renewed its request for a change of venue today after learning of a chance meeting between two prospective jurors during which the case was discussed. The two potential jurors -- a man and a woman -- bumped into each other at a convenience store Tuesday. The woman told court officials that the man told her they needed to be chosen for the jury so they could make sure that the defendants get what they deserve.
The defense attorneys asked that the man, who denied making that statement, be held in contempt of court. The judge said he would take it under consideration.
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Post by reason on Apr 13, 2006 11:13:50 GMT -5
The defense renewed its request for a change of venue today after learning of a chance meeting between two prospective jurors during which the case was discussed. The two potential jurors -- a man and a woman -- bumped into each other at a convenience store Tuesday. The woman told court officials that the man told her they needed to be chosen for the jury so they could make sure that the defendants get what they deserve.Tonya was right--those sleazy defense attorneys will stop at nothing. 
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Post by reason on Apr 13, 2006 13:34:12 GMT -5
St Augustine is in St. John's County, outside of the N-J delivery area.
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Post by reason on Apr 13, 2006 19:32:47 GMT -5
If a lawyer has agreed to take indigent clients on contract with the state, and they are qualified for capital cases, then no, they may not ethically decline the representation.
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Post by tonya on Apr 13, 2006 23:26:49 GMT -5
If a lawyer has agreed to take indigent clients on contract with the state, and they are qualified for capital cases, then no, they may not ethically decline the representation. Unless, that is, they would like to be able to sleep at night............ Tonya |
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Post by tonya on Apr 13, 2006 23:29:57 GMT -5
Ya know Reason, something told me you'd take delight in this news. Which sleaze bag murderer are you representing, ? ;D
Tonya
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Post by reason on Apr 14, 2006 2:04:27 GMT -5
Ya know Reason, something told me you'd take delight in this news. Which sleaze bag murderer are you representing, ? Tonya As I've said before, Reason is a composite character, based upon several real-life intellectuals, both in the Volusia County area as well as internationally. As such, Reason doesn't have a profession, but rather is expert on almost all matters. Hence, I don't represent anyone, though I understand the necessity of the accused having a vigorous defense. However, I do indeed take delight in the news, principally because I was proven right once again. And your attitude confirms for me your acknowledgement that, more importantly, you were wrong. Did you read the article? It was exactly as I had been saying--a fair trial could not be had in this community. Even John Tanner conceded as much. |
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Post by Barb on Apr 14, 2006 10:32:01 GMT -5
If a lawyer has agreed to take indigent clients on contract with the state, and they are qualified for capital cases, then no, they may not ethically decline the representation. Unless, that is, they would like to be able to sleep at night............ TonyaTonya that statement is really unfair of you. Are you suggesting that noone deserves a defense? I am sure there is a reason that state appointed defense attorneys sign a contract that doesn't allow them to refuse cases and this one is a good example. EVERYONE, by law, is entitled to a defense. Therefore, the state must contract with attorneys requiring them to accept cases they might otherwise balk at. This contract is what allows an attorney that is defending a vile case to sleep at night.Barb |
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Post by reason on Apr 14, 2006 11:45:57 GMT -5
Well, not really. The knowledge that the adversary system will not work without both sides having vigorous advocacy is enough to allow the attorney to sleep like a baby.
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