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Post by KathyInArkansas on Aug 14, 2009 17:37:48 GMT -5
VJ DAY!!!How soon we forget. The poilitically correct people want us to forget this because it might hurt the Japanese people's feelings or, in some way, make them mad at us! What a crock! V-J Day in Times Square, New York, August 14, 1945 www.monroegallery.com/detail.cfm?ID=495
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Post by husky on Aug 14, 2009 18:15:46 GMT -5
I went over to my dad's this afternoon and we were talking about the Manson/Woodstock coverage overshadowing VJ day...So one way or another, there are still those who remember, Bee Gee.
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Post by rid0617 on Aug 14, 2009 18:50:15 GMT -5
BeeGee you and I are on the same page on this subject. If WWII were to happen today we would lose for sure. To begin with you couldn't call your enemy a slang name because that would be racist or hateful. We called them what they were back then, japs, krauts, wops, etc. Hell they were our enemy, we wern't there for a love fest. My generation catches hell cause we call the North Viet Cong gooks. And it's always the ones who wern't there who want to be critical about our choice of words.
I have lots of WWII trinkets showing Uncle Sam hanging Hitler or shoving a sword through the Jap leader. I have a picture of a war plane with a bathing beauty on the front holding a severed head of Hitler. Womens groups would complain that was sexist. Animal rights groups would complain because dogs are used in combat. Even though bullets would be flying around but someone would complain because a soldier was smoking a cigarette.
Men do not have the courage to lie about their age and enlist at 15 because they felt it was their duty. Other groups would scream discrimination because too many of them were sent. People are too much me oriented to voluntarily sacrifice.
Politicians would run the war to protect special interest instead of Generals. Shit, we couldn't even beat N Vietnam or the extremist in the middle east. No way we could ever win a world war if attacked anymore.
I have watched TV news most of the day because of nothing else to do. Not one word have I heard about VJ day.
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Post by rid0617 on Aug 14, 2009 18:52:52 GMT -5
BeeGee said: The older I get, and the more I see how many of the people of this country have lost their sense of value, the more I become sure that what we did we did for nothing!
It was not done for nothing, the cause was noble, the citizens of today are not deserving. Because of what men were back then if you had not done it you would not have been able to live with yourself today.
Today's citizens and news is too busy crying and gnashing their teeth because Michael Vick is back playing football. No crying for the loss of life that helped us not have to learn Japanese.
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Post by husky on Aug 14, 2009 19:33:14 GMT -5
Husky, as I recall, your Dad is of my generation, and feel free to correct me if I am wrong but, when we are finally all gone, what do you foresee then? Call me an optimist, but two or three things give me hope for the future. I think my dad is about a half a generation older than you are, but that (yours/his) generation did have a lot of kids. (us boomers) Many of us have been crappy parents, but I've seen so many that are great in terms of values, of teaching history, and in providing life lessons about the sacrifices that have been made for us by people like you. Next, there is a generation kind of coming into their own, at least from my perspective. The kids I taught are now in the 25-45 age range. I still have contact with quite a few of them and am thankful that I'm able to know what they're doing now. They're giving back, getting active, and trying to (despite how overwhelming it can be in these times) doing what they can to do the right things. I'm quite sure that not since your generation came of age has a demographic sacrificed so much and lived the historical lessons you're talking about, but I'm also pretty convinced that although it looks bad now, in a lot of ways, that our culture is not eroding to the point of doom. While I'm quite concerned about consumerism and other casualties of privilege, I believe we're in the midst of a paradigm shift that we won't be able to really pinpoint for years if not decades. Some of the change in the last sixty years has been for the good, but we tend to forget about that when we lament that today's kids just don't get it. I have fears- about education, debt, and entitlement- but I also have hope....and faith. What else can you do? History will not forget what you and your brothers did. He rarely talks about it, but when my father talks about the war, it is largely about the tremendous sense of guilt and worthlessness he felt when, between 1940 and when the war ended, he was denied six times entry into any branch of the service due to his extreme height and some deadly allergies. Finally the Navy gave him a commission only to have them revoke it when he showed up. He went to work at Grumman as a go-between between the navy and the engineers, trying to get the factories up to speed on the engineering changes that came a mile a minute in the production of aircraft.
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Post by KathyInArkansas on Aug 14, 2009 21:22:11 GMT -5
I think it only fair, Rid, for you to acknowledge that there are still many heroes who walk, or sadly walked among our younger people. There are still very real warriors and they are dying every day in places like Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Post by KathyInArkansas on Aug 14, 2009 21:25:45 GMT -5
Kathy, if there would be a single person that I would have expected to respond to this you are that one and I am grateful!! Yep, that was then and now nobody gives a dip, anymore except those connected to the military. Most civilians don't want to be reminded of it or even think about it. This came about because some dickhead wants to stop the annual Moosup, Ct. parade because it might just hurt the Japanese people's feelings that we won a war that they started. Where is it written that Americans have to develop shame for winning a war? We haven’t won one since and look what that has cost us and is costing us right now and we will not win these either?? The papers had all kinds of coverage for the Woodstock hippie gathering where all those kids cold muck around in a farm pasture and not a word about the sacrifices made in order that they could make fools of themselves. The older I get, and the more I see how many of the people of this country have lost their sense of value, the more I become sure that what we did we did for nothing! Be well BeeGee Please try not to judge everyone for the actions of some. There have always been kooks among us. It is part of why people like you served, to preserve their rights to be kooks, idiots and the like. There are many more who are appreciative of the sacrifices of the many.
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Post by rid0617 on Aug 15, 2009 2:04:17 GMT -5
I think it only fair, Rid, for you to acknowledge that there are still many heroes who walk, or sadly walked among our younger people. There are still very real warriors and they are dying every day in places like Iraq and Afghanistan. Oh most definately Ms Kathy. I am slowly seeing them return to the VA clinics. Never meant to not include them. I was referring to the mass that entered WWII compared to what that would be now. We've had too many of the young warriors sent from our internet family. Hopefully they will not be spit on and called baby killers upon their return like we were.
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Post by KathyInArkansas on Aug 15, 2009 7:33:53 GMT -5
I think it only fair, Rid, for you to acknowledge that there are still many heroes who walk, or sadly walked among our younger people. There are still very real warriors and they are dying every day in places like Iraq and Afghanistan. Oh most definately Ms Kathy. I am slowly seeing them return to the VA clinics. Never meant to not include them. I was referring to the mass that entered WWII compared to what that would be now. We've had too many of the young warriors sent from our internet family. Hopefully they will not be spit on and called baby killers upon their return like we were. Along with you, I too hope that America never sees a time again where her citizens show such hateful actions and disrespect towards her warriors.
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Post by Barb on Aug 16, 2009 1:01:37 GMT -5
Sometimes the dates escape us. I was busy today and I did forget this was VJ day. However, I always respect and appreciate our vets, and their sacrifices and service.
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Post by ROOT on Aug 16, 2009 2:39:03 GMT -5
LOL I told them I would go Hiroshima, I couldn't go live in time but time for the fall out.
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Post by rid0617 on Aug 16, 2009 12:53:25 GMT -5
CNN couldn't remember VJ day but right now I'm watching how the 32nd anniversary of Elvis Presley is being celebrated. Nice
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Post by kdurb011 on Aug 16, 2009 13:27:33 GMT -5
I find this insulting. At 20, I think every day about those who have lost their lives and will lose their lives fighting for our country while my sailor is 7500 miles away.
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Post by kdurb011 on Aug 16, 2009 21:19:04 GMT -5
Like I said before, I have lived too long! People today not only do not care about what we suffered but resent being reminded of the fact that they would be talking another language if we hadn't done what we did when we did it!! No matter the cost to us then, today it is too much! rid, I would guess that we are more passé than even we had figured! Holy Cow talk about being a dinosaur out of time!! I am done! Time once more for a stand down for me since that is now easier for me than what is happening! With the exception of a few, and I emphasize few, we have degenerated into a nation of ingrates who are interested only in what is in it for me instead of being grateful for my blessings and the sacrifices, that many made, for me to enjoy them. Be well, all! ;D BeeGee ;D I really hope this was in response to Rid's post about Elvis and not mine.
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Post by Barb on Aug 16, 2009 22:51:10 GMT -5
I'm sure it was Kdurbo. And your sailor is much appreciated....
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