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Post by tonya on Jun 4, 2007 19:00:32 GMT -5
The evidence of a God having created the universe and all that is within it is as great as the evidence that THe Flying Spaghetti Monster created all of it. See for yourself (and hold onto your skepticism until you've educated yourself):
www.venganza.org/Go ahead, try to refute it. I particularly want Tonya's analysis. I'm not amused. That is a satirical editorial of ONE person's opinion. Tonya
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Post by tonya on Jun 4, 2007 19:12:25 GMT -5
javajoe said
And that is why I raised this question. There seems to be no scientists who will even take their religious beliefs into consideration when they present their scientific data, and at the same time I don't see any religious figure wanting to work with scientists. So I, who have just restarted studying the bible think outside the box am simply looking for some semi-solid "facts". There really doesn't seem to be any compromise and that is so ridiculous. Was there really a Garden of Eden and Adam and Eve?
Tonya
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Post by rid0617 on Jun 5, 2007 2:22:36 GMT -5
I kind of look at it different than most. Might seem strange to some. I slightly believe both. As for the 7 day theory. The Bible says a day is as a 1,000 years to God. Add in the fact that the jewish year in those days were different than years as we know them and were longer. So to me Gods creation of the earth could have taken multiples of thousands of years and coule have been something he put in motion that evolved over time.
As for Adam and Eve. I believe at an earlier point man COULD have improved and evolved from apes. But because they evolved they had flaws. Christ had to come from a perfect lineage so God created the first perfect man and woman which provided a pure blood line for Christ to come from. What makes me wonder this is in the story of Cain and Able, Cain was banished to another land and took up a wife. Where did this wife come from to already be in this "other" land.
Apes would have come from God when he created animals. Man would have come from God. The Bible does speak of different earth ages. Mayo how far fetched does this sound to you?
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Post by happy-feet on Jun 5, 2007 6:19:22 GMT -5
The bible as we know it has been through numerous translations and edits. With historical perspective and passage of time the precise words have not always translated well. ie - parting of the Red Sea was actually a sea of reeds which barefoot slaves were able to run across while Egyptian chariots got stuck in the mud. The stories are marvelous and invoke feelings of wonder and faith but to hang on every word as absolute fact - well - do you believe every word of every story you hear now?
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Post by rid0617 on Jun 5, 2007 12:21:29 GMT -5
The King James version was translated to benefit the king and the Church of England.
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Post by IncogNITO on Jun 7, 2007 19:25:57 GMT -5
I believe there was a garden of Eden. Where the Bible gives directions or location by landmark, has always proven to be a real place. I also believe Adam and Eve symbolizes the first worshipers. The first two Humans with the capacity to comprehend what they were taught not just what they learned from physical experience. Because of this they had moved beyond animals and could hear and see what God had to say and show. There are places in todays world even now what animals of all types come to gether to drink from springs or streams and relax. Lions can be seen laying within feet of prey and as long as the animals are in these areas they don't kill. So the eden in the bible could have existed. There is a place like that in Gabon called Loango Bi. it is a small clearing with fresh water. It's existence will not stay the peaceful place it is at this moment. It will disappear as most of these place have. So it is very much within reason that there was a place where the lamb slept with the lion and Men and Women lived along side both with no fear. I also have no doubt God would choose such a place to make himself known.
JMayo
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Post by computacat on Jun 22, 2007 22:16:48 GMT -5
Religion is the opium of the people. -- Karl Marx "My opinion on evolution is that Charles Darwin was adopted." -- Steven Wright
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Post by ROOT on Jul 31, 2009 23:22:30 GMT -5
I didn't find this so funny as much as it made me think.
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Post by rid0617 on Aug 1, 2009 2:19:13 GMT -5
Religion is the opium of the people. -- Karl Marx And we all know how well he worked out
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Post by IncogNITO on Aug 17, 2009 11:02:53 GMT -5
I made a stop at the creation museum on one of my trips home from Tennessee recently. Science is logical steps from one point to another. There is no logical steps in what is being presented at the museum as far as the evolution of humans. The Noah's ark exhibited was fantastic and exciting. The food not so hot take a sack lunch. The museum is Just outside Cinci and is a very nice modern building but watch the guides they are on a mission to convert you.
JMayo
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Post by ROOT on Aug 17, 2009 14:02:56 GMT -5
I love theme parks, are there any rides at this place
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Post by IncogNITO on Aug 17, 2009 15:23:25 GMT -5
It would have made the experience more enjoyable had there been.
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Post by KathyInArkansas on Aug 19, 2009 17:55:19 GMT -5
I have never had a problem with Science explaining how things really happened. I have no problem with a world where the 7 days described in Genesis took 7 billion years or more. I do have a problem with people who want to put Humans and Dinosaurs side by side in a museum. No amount of wishful thinking can change the fossil record. We were given minds and so far no one has been able to touch the big mysteries. How the universe was started, why only this world did life begin and not on the dozen or so others we believe will support life. One could point to the Big Bang or the Inflationary theory but who did they get started? What triggers evolution? we know all kinds of contributing factors but we can't reproduce it so something else had to have happened. To clarify we can force change and have done so but we can not cause natural spontaneous evolution like we as humans went through to be who we are today. No matter what science comes up with I can see the hand of God behind it. JMayo Why is it so hard for some to believe that maybe evolution was God's plan all along? I don't see where one has to exclude the other.
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Post by KathyInArkansas on Aug 19, 2009 18:00:21 GMT -5
Oops...I see where this was an old thread...and I see I haven't changed my mind one bit.
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Post by tonya on Aug 19, 2009 20:35:09 GMT -5
I made a stop at the creation museum on one of my trips home from Tennessee recently. Science is logical steps from one point to another. There is no logical steps in what is being presented at the museum as far as the evolution of humans. The Noah's ark exhibited was fantastic and exciting. The food not so hot take a sack lunch. The museum is Just outside Cinci and is a very nice modern building but watch the guides they are on a mission to convert you. JMayo Convert you to what?
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