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Post by tonya on Jan 29, 2007 23:07:07 GMT -5
Tonya, My mistake ... if I've insulted anyone's sensibilities. I would however, suggest you reevaluate the situation at hand when you imply or suggest the problem is being "Helped". But it sounds like fun, a nice hobby and lot's of freindly people. I will respect your wishes and refrain from posting again here ... also moderator ... youre more than welcome to remove this post. I'll let it stand so all can see your true colors EMan. Tonya
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Post by tonya on Jan 29, 2007 23:30:31 GMT -5
For all it's worth, two of my three cats are rescue cats. I still believe euthanasia is an alternative as well. another option is starvation. Catch and release spay neuter will significantly reduce a growing population if we are catching and releasing enough of them. Anyone have these facts ready or do I have to look them up? Average litter size, gestation period, life span. There's your problem. We thin the herds of other species. Cats should be no different. The term for what you suggest is "Culling" and it would be inefficient. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CullingWhat needs to be done ... mapping of known feral colonies and eradication of the colonies all at once. Further, STIFF FINES for those caring for feral animals. JAIL TIME for those releasing animals into the wild. HIGH TAXES for anyone breeding their animals. No more "Free to a good home" bullshit. And for whatever it is worth EMan, I'm not the Moderator on this section, but if Calc wants to delete your posts, I have preserved them for all who care to see and for you not to forget. Tonya
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Post by reason on Jan 30, 2007 7:43:17 GMT -5
I, too, wish to make clear that I in no way like to promote unnecessary suffering. Of cats, that is. If people have to suffer my wit, that's okay. I merely chimed in with another perspective--which E69 has better put--that a better (more efficient and humane) way to resolve the feral cat population is to euthanize on a large scale.
Those who are trying to "save" the cats probably won't benefit from being told that they're swimming against the tide.
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Post by lavenderblue on Jan 30, 2007 8:11:50 GMT -5
Hubby and I adore animals and as a result one of our girls has adopted 7 cats. Now, problem is hubby highly allergic to cats - in fact deathly allergic to cats - airway swells, face swells, gets red and itchy all over - the whole baggage. Now since daughter has adopted 7 cats, we, of course, can't visit daughter anymore.
We're real proud of her to do this, though and glad all the kitties have a great home. We get to see her when she can meet us somewhere or she can visit up here. (She's down in Brevard County).
I guess reading the last few posts made me think how cats can make people suffer too, but without intent for sure! We do give what we can every year to the Humane Society, as well as donations of towels, blankets, etc.
You all are doing great work in helping the animals. Hubby shared with me how something like 100,000's of animals are euthanized every year in Florida alone. This makes me sick that this has to happen.
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Post by Goddess on Jan 30, 2007 9:12:43 GMT -5
Hubby and I adore animals and as a result one of our girls has adopted 7 cats. Now, problem is hubby highly allergic to cats - in fact deathly allergic to cats - airway swells, face swells, gets red and itchy all over - the whole baggage. Now since daughter has adopted 7 cats, we, of course, can't visit daughter anymore. We're real proud of her to do this, though and glad all the kitties have a great home. We get to see her when she can meet us somewhere or she can visit up here. (She's down in Brevard County). I guess reading the last few posts made me think how cats can make people suffer too, but without intent for sure! We do give what we can every year to the Humane Society, as well as donations of towels, blankets, etc. You all are doing great work in helping the animals. Hubby shared with me how something like 100,000's of animals are euthanized every year in Florida alone. This makes me sick that this has to happen. Maybe y'all need a cat like Siren's sweet little Satin. She looks kinda like this...
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Post by evryman69 on Jan 30, 2007 10:20:30 GMT -5
Hubby and I adore animals and as a result one of our girls has adopted 7 cats. Now, problem is hubby highly allergic to cats - in fact deathly allergic to cats - airway swells, face swells, gets red and itchy all over - the whole baggage. Now since daughter has adopted 7 cats, we, of course, can't visit daughter anymore. We're real proud of her to do this, though and glad all the kitties have a great home. We get to see her when she can meet us somewhere or she can visit up here. (She's down in Brevard County). I guess reading the last few posts made me think how cats can make people suffer too, but without intent for sure! We do give what we can every year to the Humane Society, as well as donations of towels, blankets, etc. You all are doing great work in helping the animals. Hubby shared with me how something like 100,000's of animals are euthanized every year in Florida alone. This makes me sick that this has to happen. It is sickening. There's an estimated 10 million feral cats alone in the state of florida. 10,000,000 your 100,000 is simply 1% of that population. They fight against cars, people, dogs, wild animals, cancer, renal failure, and the worst predator ... starvation. Cats require a high protein diet and when they have over-populated an area there is not enough food for all of them. Their life-spans are shorted by 75% most house cats will live for 16 years while feral cats ... 4 at best. They aren't living, they are barely survivng. I know I sound harsh, but consider the fact that 100,000 year over year over year or immediately reducing the population and after a few years the problem is nonexistant. Any way my story is about Herman. I used to play racketball at Omega 40 in Ormond Beach (now Club Boom). One early March I was leaving to go home when a Russian Blue walks up to me talking up a storm. I try to make him a nest under a shrub with a dry t-shirt (it was going to get cold that night). See he didn't have a collar but he was in great condition and very socialized, I just considered he was out prowling without good sense it would freeze that night. Well, he followed me back to my car and when I got in he jumped onto my lap and was ready to go home. I took herman home with me that night, left him on the porch, back then I had two other cats and a Jack Russell Terrier I didn't want any diseases spread around. Three days later I dorve herman back to the gym and let him go to where ever it is he went. Three days later I was leaving the gym and there he was sitting on my hood waiting for me. Herman is now 12 years old, He is still a great looking old man, but does show a little bit of snow on his chin and chest. I almost lost him 4 years ago, he got into something that pretty much decimated his liver. He has about 1/3 of it working today, he is slower and less apt to play, except for string ... he loves string. Herman is still VERY vocal almost annoying, but he is a good friend. So I put up with it. Spay and Neuter your pets! No to just one litter. NO NO NO to many unwanted kittens and cats end up in the wild!
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Post by reason on Jan 30, 2007 11:26:13 GMT -5
I grew up being told that it was cruel not to allow a female cat to have ANY kittens--that she should b allowed one litter, else she will feel, I dunno how it was put, but something like 'less than a woman'. The maternal instincts would go unfulfilled.
I too know a woman with 22 cats--can't seem to say no to helpless animals with no other recourse. Damn shame.
Eman69 is right--we need to ramp up the euthanizing of the feral cat population.
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Post by lavenderblue on Jan 30, 2007 13:50:35 GMT -5
Oh, Goddess, surely you tempt me. Satin is just beautiful. Is she totally non-allergenic? What a dolly she is!!!!
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Post by reason on Jan 30, 2007 14:11:59 GMT -5
Y'all keep misspelling Satan.
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Post by Goddess on Jan 30, 2007 14:49:03 GMT -5
Oh, Goddess, surely you tempt me. Satin is just beautiful. Is she totally non-allergenic? What a dolly she is!!!! That's not Satin herself, but of a similar kitty. I'm sure Siren would be most happy to post a pic of her Satin and let you know the care required for a hairless cat. But, no hair...no dander! They are pretty high maintainence though. I think y'all are up to the job.
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Post by Goddess on Jan 30, 2007 14:51:46 GMT -5
E'man... you will happy to know I got that sweet li'l siamesie spayed last week....she never even got the chance to go into heat.
My big dog is the only one who suffered from being spayed and not having a litter, she always wanted to be a mama. I've kept her supplied with kitties adn a smaller dog which she considers her pups.
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Post by evryman69 on Jan 30, 2007 16:07:39 GMT -5
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Post by tonya on Jan 30, 2007 21:27:30 GMT -5
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Post by tonya on Jan 30, 2007 21:38:27 GMT -5
EMan said: With these stats, wouldn't you think it is fair to say the TNR efforts may indeed be a good cause? TNR 10 ferals and basically eliminate 40,000 ferals.......... Tonya
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Post by evryman69 on Jan 30, 2007 21:49:35 GMT -5
EMan said: With these stats, wouldn't you think it is fair to say the TNR efforts may indeed be a good cause? TNR 10 ferals and basically eliminate 40,000 ferals.......... Tonya You are already working against a population of 10 million feral cats. Breeding, and most probably at their self sustaining population limit. ie if you remove 40,000 cats from the system they will immediately be replaced by feral kittens that would have starved to death.
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